"For me, stand-up comedy became a salvation from professional burnout"

Contents:

• "Stand-up is something new in pedagogy, and that's what it needed."
• "Performing is a mandatory exam for our students."
• "To make funny jokes, teachers don't need to swear or touch on below-the-belt topics."
• "Stand-up helps you look at the profession and yourself in the profession in a new way."
• "When you find yourself in school life, it's very difficult to give it up and live on without pedagogy."

History teacher and deputy director for educational work at Novoshkol in Ufa. Winner of national competitions such as "Teacher's Contribution," "Raising a Person," and "Media Educator of the Year." Winner of the 2024 MMSO award in the "Personal Brand of the Year in Education" category. The founder of the League of Pedagogical Stand-up, which promotes the development of a creative approach in education and brings together teachers to exchange experiences and ideas.

In this interview, you will get information about:

• what pedagogical stand-up is, how the League of Pedagogical Stand-up came about, how it works and who can join it;
• how the League deals with the pressure of stereotypes about teachers, what is not accepted to joke about in the League and whether it is possible to find a balance between humor and discipline in the classroom;
• what unites comedian teachers, how stand-up saved Yulia from burnout and how it can be used for reflection;
• is Yulia ready to leave her teaching career and take up stand-up professionally;
• why stand-up is taking root well in the Russian context in general and the pedagogical environment in particular.

“Stand-up is something new in "[...] pedagogy, and that's what she needed."

Stand-up comedy and pedagogy may seem like completely different fields at first glance. However, this connection becomes obvious when we consider the possibility of using humor as a teaching tool. Pedagogical stand-up comedy allows us to convey educational ideas and concepts to a wide audience in an accessible and engaging way. The idea for this format came from a desire to make learning more interesting and memorable. Humor has the power to break down barriers and create a comfortable atmosphere for information comprehension, making it a powerful tool in the educational process.

It all started with an all-Russian competition for private school teachers called "The Teacher's Contribution." The final stage of this competition was a stand-up performance. When the first competition took place in 2021, many were surprised: would teachers really joke on stage? This event was a real novelty and generated a lot of interest. Stand-up comedy opened up new opportunities for teachers, allowing them to express their creativity and innovative approaches to teaching.

Over the years, I and other future organizers of the Pedagogical Stand-Up League—Alexey Yemelyanov and Alexey Moskovsky—participated in this competition. We all reached the finals or won prizes performing our stand-up comedy. Dmitry Kuzmin, producer of the "Teacher's Contribution" project, was also one of the League's co-organizers. For us, this was a special form of classic stand-up comedy, where teachers shared their jokes and experiences. Stand-up comedy in an educational setting not only entertains but also raises important issues, emphasizing the unique aspects of the profession and life of teachers.

Pedagogical stand-up comedy isn't just humor from teachers. It's a unique format that allows educational professionals to share their experiences and methods, using humor as a tool for deeper engagement with the audience. Unlike traditional lectures, stand-up sessions create a relaxed atmosphere conducive to openness and the exchange of ideas. This approach not only entertains but also inspires colleagues, leading to new perspectives on the educational process and improved communication within the teaching community. Pedagogical stand-up becomes a platform for discussing current issues in education, implementing innovative methods, and finding solutions, making it a significant event in the world of pedagogy.

In pedagogical stand-up, as in any other form of stand-up, a comedian takes the stage and shares jokes. However, in this case, the comedian is a teacher, and their jokes focus on school topics. Pedagogical stand-up combines humor and educational aspects, allowing viewers to see familiar school situations from a new perspective. This format not only entertains but also creates an opportunity to discuss current issues in education and the interaction between teachers and students. Pedagogical stand-up comedy can be an effective tool for drawing attention to important issues in education and for creating a positive atmosphere in the learning process.

In 2023, my colleagues and I founded the Pedagogical Stand-Up League to support teachers. We believed that stand-up comedy would help teachers overcome shyness and professional burnout, as well as develop storytelling skills. This project has become a platform for sharing experiences and inspiration, allowing teachers not only to develop their communication skills but also to find new ways to interact with students. The Pedagogical Stand-Up League fosters a comfortable atmosphere for self-expression and strengthens the professional community, which, in turn, positively impacts the educational process.

Over time, we realized that pedagogical stand-up comedy is more than just humor. Stand-up comedy encompasses a system of audience interaction, becomes the foundation for building a supportive community, and represents a technology that can be effectively used not only on stage but also in the classroom, when organizing school events, and in various life situations. I would even call stand-up comedy one of the modern pedagogical methods. This new direction in pedagogy is truly necessary for its development.

Teachers actively use stand-up comedy techniques in the educational process to make lessons more engaging and memorable. For example, they can use elements of humor and storytelling to explain complex topics, which helps maintain students' attention. Teachers can also use improvisation techniques to respond to unexpected questions or situations in the classroom, creating an atmosphere of openness and interaction. Including personal stories or anecdotes makes the material more relatable, which facilitates better assimilation of information. Such techniques not only help create a comfortable learning environment but also develop students' communication skills.

Techniques for writing materials and organizing presentations can be successfully applied in a wide variety of contexts. A striking example is the experience of a math teacher and League participant who previously struggled with speaking at parent-teacher meetings. Shortly before one of the meetings, he participated in a League concert. Afterward, he shared his impressions: "I structured my presentation to parents the same way I structure a stand-up routine—and it yielded amazing results!" This case demonstrates how adapting techniques from one area can significantly improve public speaking skills in another.

Every joke consists of Two main components: setting up the situation, known as the "setup," and an unexpected denouement, called a "punchline." This universal structure can be effectively used in any public speaking engagement, allowing you to create memorable and witty content. This approach is helpful not only in comedy but also in public speaking, making it more engaging and interesting for listeners.

"Performing is a mandatory exam for our students"

The League of Teachers is constantly evolving, attracting like-minded people through various initiatives and events. We actively work to create communities where teachers can exchange experiences and ideas. Organizing seminars, webinars, and meetings helps bring together educators interested in modern teaching methods. We also use social media and professional platforms to spread information about our activities and attract new members. Innovative projects and programs aimed at supporting teacher growth are helping to increase the number of League supporters and strengthen our community.

It all began with graduates of the "Teacher's Contribution" competition, who became the first residents of the League of Pedagogical Stand-Up Comedy. Since then, League representatives have actively participated in various events for teachers, which has led to requests for teacher training in the art of stand-up. In May of this year, we held master classes at the Geek Teachers Fest in Yekaterinburg, and similar invitations are coming from schools and educational organizations to train their staff. We also organize open courses for everyone. Teachers who successfully complete training with League trainers and perform on stage become our residents. Since 2023, we have already conducted five training courses, increasing the number of participants from 32 to 80.

We train stand-up teachers through specialized courses that focus on developing public speaking skills, creativity, and stage confidence. The program includes theoretical lessons, practical exercises, and analysis of successful performances. Teachers learn to create unique jokes, interact with the audience, and manage the stage. We also provide feedback and recommendations for improvement so that each participant can develop their abilities and confidence in stand-up. This approach allows teachers not only to master the art of stand-up but also to effectively transfer these skills to their students.

The main part of the training takes place over 3-4 days, during which participants work in groups of 10. Each group is assigned a coach-mentor from the League, who helps develop the participants' skills. After group classes, individual training with coaches is provided, allowing each participant to deepen their knowledge and skills. The final stage of training is performing in front of an audience, which is a key moment in the process. Creating jokes alone can be useful, but full-fledged stand-up requires practical experience. Performing in front of an audience becomes a mandatory test for our students, which fosters group cohesion and motivates them throughout their training.

The Stand-Up League not only teaches the art of stand-up comedy but also organizes events, workshops, and open mics. We create performance spaces for aspiring comedians, giving them the opportunity to showcase their talents and receive feedback from audiences and professionals. The League also actively develops the comedy community, conducts courses on stagecraft, and provides resources for sharing experiences. Our goal is to support and develop comedy culture, facilitating the growth of new talent in the world of stand-up.

We actively participate in educational events, hosting concerts and participating in panel discussions as expert teachers. We also often act as event managers and event organizers. Although our League residents and coaches are located in different cities, we are always willing to travel and happily respond to invitations to support competitions and other initiatives.

Is the League a source of income for you, or is it more of a passion project?

Our activities are primarily focused on creative expression. We do not participate in corporate events or charge high fees for performances. When organizing training in collaboration with schools and other educational institutions, we discuss terms depending on the program format. Our League's stand-up comedy teacher training program is not mass-produced, unlike most other stand-up comedy schools—we only accept two applicants per year. Our course fees remain affordable. In general, the League does not aim to make a profit.

As a rule, the League's residents are teachers working In both private and public schools, this allows us to pool the experience and knowledge of teachers from different educational institutions, which in turn enriches the educational process and facilitates the exchange of best practices. Involving teachers from different types of schools creates a diversity of perspectives and teaching methods, which is an important aspect for improving the quality of education. The League's founders, including myself, teach in private schools, and we were initially concerned that participation in the League might be perceived as inaccessible to teachers from public schools. However, thanks to the support of the organizers of the Class Teachers' Forum, we were able to popularize the project among a wide range of colleagues. In 2024, we held a series of webinars on stand-up comedy and a creative competition for community subscribers. The winners of the competition, teachers from public schools across various regions, received the opportunity to undergo stand-up comedy training at the League. After completing the training, they performed on the main stage of Gostiny Dvor in Moscow alongside League residents as part of the Class Teachers' Forum. This vibrant event attracted attention and contributed to an increase in the number of League members from public schools, which we consider an important step toward uniting educators at all levels of education.

The League is open to not only teachers but also other education professionals. This may include educators, methodologists, psychologists, and supplementary education teachers. Participation in the League provides an opportunity to exchange experiences, improve skills, and collaborate among professionals striving to improve the educational process.

In early May, we held our first stand-up comedy training course for school principals. The principals' interest in comedy was a real revelation for us. Listening to their jokes was incredibly engaging, as it provided an opportunity to understand their views on teachers and the educational process in general. This experience opened new horizons in communication and interaction between administration and teachers, emphasizing the importance of humor in the educational environment.

We conducted training for the staff of the PrESTO Institute, a school of tutoring excellence. It was a mutual learning process: we taught our colleagues the basics of stand-up comedy, and they provided us with feedback on our teaching methods. This approach allows us not only to transfer knowledge but also to improve teaching skills, which contributes to the development of both parties.

The League of Pedagogical Stand-Up Comedy welcomes all professionals related to education. We strive to attract colleagues from secondary vocational education and higher education institutions, which will be an important step in our further development. The openness and accessibility of the League create unique opportunities for the exchange of experiences and ideas, which contributes to the improvement of the educational process. We hope for the active participation of new members and a joint movement towards innovation in pedagogy.

"To make funny jokes, teachers do not need to swear or touch on topics "below the belt""

There is a common stereotype that a teacher should remain reserved and serious. As soon as a teacher deviates from this image, difficulties arise. Have you experienced similar problems with stand-up comedy? Stand-up can be a great way for teachers to express themselves, allowing them to show their personality and connect more deeply with their students. However, this shift in approach can be met with misunderstanding from colleagues or administration. It's important to find a balance between professionalism and the ability to be authentic to effectively interact with students and create a comfortable learning atmosphere.

After publishing my first performance at the "Teacher's Contribution" competition on social media, my students' parents approached me at school and remarked, "Yulia, you're so lively, you have a unique perspective on the world, and your life outside of school is so interesting!" I've received similar comments not only from them but also from other League residents. I haven't experienced any pressure or backlash about my passion for stand-up comedy.

When developing the League of Pedagogical Stand-up Comedy's commandments, we identified one key principle: "Love your profession." Teaching is extremely important and necessary, and we are always under the scrutiny of society, government agencies, parents, and students. In this context, stand-up comedy offers a unique opportunity to promote the teaching profession. We strive to show teachers as living individuals with personal lives, hobbies, and interests. This will help students and their parents see how engaging and courageous their teachers can be, how they are unafraid to take the stage and openly share their stories.

In our League, there are a number of topics that we consider taboo and avoid joking about. This is due to respect for people's feelings and an understanding of the importance of certain issues. We strive to create an atmosphere where everyone can feel comfortable and safe, so we avoid discussing topics that may evoke negative emotions or offense. Our goal is to entertain and unite people, not to create conflict.

We adhere to the principle that humor should not touch on base or vulgar topics. Our teachers and colleagues are amazing, intelligent individuals with extensive knowledge and experience. In order to create high-quality and funny content, they do not need to use foul language or discuss topics related to intimate aspects of life. We believe that real comedy is based on the ability to see and play out interesting moments without resorting to vulgarity.

We understand the importance of choosing topics for our performances and avoid discussing issues that may be too sensitive, controversial, or complex. Content presented on stage must not compromise the teacher's reputation. Each piece undergoes careful editing, as the League's coaches, with their experience in stand-up comedy and event management, are responsible for what is said on stage. Speakers' texts may contain controversial or sensitive topics, and we strive to avoid or eliminate them entirely.

Do you need to provide speech scripts to concert organizers in advance?

Organizers of large events, such as the Moscow International Education Fair (MIEF) or the Class Teachers' Forum, often request speech scripts in advance. We share these materials without any problem so that organizers can verify their content and ensure that they do not contain anything that could offend the audience or negatively influence the teachers presenting them. This helps maintain the high level of the event and ensures a comfortable atmosphere for all participants.

We operate within certain boundaries while maintaining our creative potential. If our performances were entirely dry and neutral, we would not be able to attract the audiences we always have. People value originality and lively interaction, so it is important to find a balance between structure and creativity. This attracts attention and maintains the audience's interest.

In our experience, officials respond to pedagogical stand-up comedy with interest, but often with caution. They may appreciate it as an innovative way to convey information that allows them to raise important issues in education. However, some officials may be skeptical of this approach, considering it insufficiently formal or serious. It's important for stand-up comedy to combine elements of humor and educational content, as this helps attract attention and establish a connection with the audience. The effectiveness of stand-up comedy largely depends on how well it adapts to the specifics of education policy and the pressing issues that concern officials. Therefore, it's crucial to think ahead about how to convey key ideas so they are received positively and generate interest in further engagement.

The League has been in existence for a year and a half, and during this time, we have had the opportunity to present at such significant venues as the Ministry of Education and the Moscow International School of Education. We are invited to August pedagogical meetings, where we establish partnerships with various education authorities. This demonstrates that our work is important and relevant, and the principles we've developed are effective.

During our performance at the Ministry of Education, the audience responded with laughter, as they had at our previous concerts. This is thanks to our clever and kind humor, which touches on school themes familiar to everyone. We all went through school, and many of us have teachers in our families. When our colleagues joke about schoolchildren, the parents in the audience can relate to these situations. Also, the topic of bureaucracy, which not only teachers face, resonates with a wide audience. We are confident that this connection with the audience makes our performances even more meaningful and memorable.

Is there a situation where an audience is perceived as "difficult," making it difficult to entertain them?

Sometimes you can observe a phenomenon where people don't know how to laugh. We encountered this when performing for school principals. Their reactions showed they were laughing, but before they burst out laughing, they'd look around: "Can I laugh? Is anyone laughing yet?" Perhaps the ability to laugh is like a muscle that atrophies when a person is constantly in a serious role, like being a director. However, after a few minutes of "warming up," our audience began to realize they could relax and laugh heartily. This situation illustrates the importance of being able to let go of tension and allow yourself to enjoy yourself, even in the most strict settings.

Are there any outside spectators at your performances? Or are they usually closed events intended exclusively for teachers, a kind of "get-together"?

We always support the idea of ​​openness. In April, the League of Pedagogical Stand-up Comedy held a concert that was open to anyone. Above all, our families and colleagues come to such events. Open mics at stand-up bars often attract friends and acquaintances from various fields. Sometimes students come to the performances, but, as a rule, not to bars, since such events usually have an age limit of 16+ or 18+.

Standup comedy in a closed community can be a great way for teachers to relax and share pent-up emotions with colleagues. However, we advocate for teachers to be visible and proud of their talents and profession. Open performances not only help develop professional skills but also strengthen bonds within the team, creating an atmosphere of support and respect.

Some believe that too much informal communication between teachers and students can be harmful. It is important to maintain clear boundaries and subordination, which implies certain limits on teacher behavior. From this perspective, humor and easy communication can be perceived as a threat to discipline in the classroom, potentially leading to chaos. However, in fact, the correct use of humor can help establish trusting relationships between teachers and students, which in turn can contribute to more effective learning. A balanced interaction, characterized by respect and understanding, can create a positive atmosphere in the classroom without overstepping established boundaries.

A teacher with a sense of humor is not the same as a funny teacher. A sense of humor can be an indispensable tool during difficult moments in class, allowing a teacher to cope with tense situations. For example, during exams, when anxiety reigns in the classroom, recalling a funny incident can significantly lighten the mood. This helps create a more friendly and open environment, supports students, and promotes better learning.

I completely agree with the need for teachers to set boundaries and prevent teenagers from making inappropriate jokes at their expense. As Lilia Mukhametshina, a trainer and mentor for teachers and founder of MentorEd International, notes, "You are the only person with a teaching degree in the class." Discipline in the educational process depends on the teacher. Therefore, it is vital for teachers to find a balance between setting and maintaining boundaries and demonstrating openness, humanity, and a sense of humor, avoiding extremes. This will create a more productive atmosphere in the classroom, where respect and understanding are core values. Maintaining balance in the educational process is only possible for a teacher who is in a state of inner resource. This means they are filled with energy and ready to share it with students. However, before sharing, they must first replenish their energy reserves. Unfortunately, due to significant workloads and high responsibilities, teachers often find themselves in a state of emotional exhaustion, which leads to a loss of warmth and sensitivity in interactions with students.

"Stand-up comedy helps you see the profession and yourself in the profession in a new light."

Teachers who share certain common traits often join the League. They typically have a high motivation for professional development and a desire to share experiences with colleagues. These teachers are open to new teaching methods and innovations in the educational process. They are also distinguished by their active role in the community and a desire to participate in projects and initiatives aimed at improving the quality of education. Such teachers value collaboration and are willing to share their knowledge, which contributes to the creation of an effective and supportive educational environment.

One of the key characteristics that unites us is a willingness to learn. This openness is crucial, as many teachers are not always ready to learn. We encourage them to do homework, experiment with new approaches, and learn from mistakes. This creates an environment conducive to development and self-improvement.

Successful stand-up requires the ability to look at yourself from an outside perspective and the ability to humor yourself. Stand-up is not about neighbors or colleagues, but about your own experience and perception of life. We do not ridicule others, but share our stories. Without self-irony, this process becomes difficult. The ability to laugh at yourself helps create a more intimate connection with the audience and makes your performance more genuine.

When the League was just starting out, how did you realize that pedagogical stand-up comedy would be in demand among your colleagues? What impact does it have on teachers?

In our training, the first lesson is always dedicated to setup—this is an important stage that cannot be ignored. It is at this moment that we learn to identify and name the pain that troubles us. When we first took the stand-up stage, we realized that our experiences and emotions reflect the feelings and experiences of others, including teachers. This shared experience helps us gain a deeper understanding of how to create resonant material and effectively convey it to an audience.

Stand-up has become for me A real salvation from professional burnout. During one of the most difficult periods of my life, I considered leaving school and focusing on private lessons or changing careers altogether. However, when I stepped on stage, I met like-minded people and felt support that went much deeper than just compliments. These were sincere conversations: "Yulia, I had the same problem, let's discuss it." With each performance, I make new connections with teachers from different cities, and thus stand-up evolves from an entertaining format into something more meaningful and profound.

Standup comedy, as a genre, is not only entertainment but also a powerful tool for pedagogical reflection. The VKontakte community of the Pedagogical Standup League focuses on uniting teachers who use standup comedy for self-expression and analysis of the educational process. The connection between standup comedy and reflection is evident in the way that, through humor and personal stories, teachers can explore their professional practices, identify mistakes, and find ways to correct them. Using standup comedy allows for a deeper understanding of the emotional component of learning and also promotes a more open and honest dialogue about pedagogical challenges. Thus, standup comedy becomes not only a means of entertainment but also an effective means for self-reflection and the exchange of experiences among teachers.

Humor is an important form of reflection, allowing teachers to analyze their lives and professional activities. When a teacher engages in standup comedy, they rethink their experiences, reliving them, and perhaps find solutions to problems that previously seemed insoluble. Reflection helps you make informed career decisions, as I did during a difficult time by choosing to stay in school. Stand-up comedy opens up new perspectives for both the profession and the individual. For example, someone who previously avoided public speaking may realize they have a knack for it and enjoy the process. At the same time, they may realize that performing isn't for them, but discover talents in writing or event planning. This approach to humor and reflection fosters personal growth and professional development.

Analyzing your own performance is a key element of learning stand-up comedy. Self-reflection is important in both pedagogy and comedy. Teachers often lack the time to stop and evaluate their lectures and lessons. Constantly rushing prevents them from gaining a deeper understanding of their work and improving the quality of their presentation. It's important to take the time to analyze your performances to identify their strengths and weaknesses, which will ultimately lead to more effective teaching and skill development.

"When you find yourself in school life, it's very difficult to give it up and live on without teaching."

Have you ever considered making comedy your full-time profession and leaving teaching?

We often get the question: "Why don't you participate in projects on TNT or other stand-up shows?" To this, we honestly answer that if we had such an opportunity, we would gladly try to conquer the world of comedy. Although it is possible that TNT might not have accepted us, we would still do everything possible to achieve success.

Our mission is to create a vibrant and supportive space for teachers where they can share their experiences using humor, self-irony, and honest stories about their professional lives. We strive to help teachers relieve stress, feel inspired, and connect with their colleagues. It's important to us that the number of happy teachers increases. No potential fame or stardom can overshadow this goal, because we are engaged in humor and organized the League with the sincere intention of supporting and inspiring the teaching community.

If you received an offer from TNT right now to become a resident of a popular show, would you agree to leave your career as a teacher? This is a question that calls into question priorities and values. On the one hand, working in television can open new horizons and bring fame, on the other, teaching is an important and significant profession that influences the future of students. Consider how important it is for you to continue teaching and educating young people or to take a risk and try yourself in a new role.

Firstly, everything depends on the proposed conditions. Secondly, so much interesting can happen in one lesson that any TV channel would envy such a richness of events. Although I have only worked at the school for seven years, it is an important part of my life, and it will be difficult to give it up.

I thought about the possibility of getting into event planning or something else, but teaching has completely captivated me.

My colleagues share this feeling. At a recent meeting in Yekaterinburg with Alexey Yemelyanov, we discussed the current realities of our schools. Alexey noted that school is a unique universe where you interact with amazing people every day. This applies both to children, as each child is unique and often delights us with unusual thought processes, and to parents, who represent various professions and have diverse experiences. Immersed in school life, it becomes difficult to abandon pedagogy and continue life outside this context. School is not just an educational institution; it is a space where knowledge and experience are exchanged, shaping the future of society.

At one of the webinars of the Class Teachers' Forum, you noted that pedagogical stand-up comedy has not become widespread outside of Russia, and only a few comedians touch on school topics. I wonder why this particular stand-up genre emerged in Russia? Possible reasons could include unique cultural and educational traditions, as well as the need to discuss current issues in the education system. Russian comedians, when addressing school topics, find an opportunity not only to entertain the audience but also to raise important social issues, making stand-up more engaging and relatable. Our mentality undoubtedly plays a key role in our perception of the educational process. While this may sound patriotic, personal experience suggests that we are able to notice details that go unnoticed by people in other countries. In Russia, teachers occupy a more significant position in a student's life than in foreign education systems. For example, the attitude toward a first teacher in our culture is often filled with emotion and deep respect. Furthermore, the bond between teachers and students in Russia is distinguished by its strength—we tend to form deeper attachments to children than our foreign counterparts. This helps create a warm and supportive atmosphere in the classroom, which, in turn, has a positive impact on the learning process.

Why do you think so?

At the World Festival of Youth and Students, I met a teacher from the United States, and we continue to correspond. He often expresses surprise at my thoughts on gifts for students, saying that this is something the school and administration should handle. However, for me, this is more than just a formality: my students are important to me, and I strive to please them.

There is no situation where we return home and stop thinking about school. This is both our problem and our advantage. Perhaps this is due to our emotionality, openness, and deep sensitivity, which sometimes leads to excessive emotions. This is precisely why our humor is funny, sparkling, and profound. Stand-up comedy resonates strongly in the teaching community because it reflects experiences and emotions familiar to all of us.

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